Active discussions include public authorities and politicians. On Monday, members of the five factions of Seimas addressed a general prosecutor for threats and defamation, an activist fighting for the rights of the child, Dovila Shakalien, who appeared in the social network after the threat. Confrontation is threatening, and legislators agree that the law should be changed. Rimantas Dagis, a member of the Seimas Committee for Social Affairs and Labor, and Mikolas Majauskas, a member of the Commission for the Prevention of Suicide and Violence, are discussing this in the topic of "Theme of the Day" with Vladimir Lauzi.
– Both represent the same party, the Homeland Union, which your president calls "People's Party". But people today, as we see, are split into the family history of children, and maybe this division separates your party?
M.Majauskas: I do not think it's broken. It seems to me that we all agreed that we must take care of the welfare of children and ensure that the children are not beaten, protected, and everyone has agreed that the best environment for growing a child in the family.
R.Dagis: We have to decide in principle. The biggest disagreement is [dėl to]how do we understand the well-being of children? One approach that most of us, who are currently active speakers, represent us to trust the family as such, that is the basis of our society. With such eyes you need to look at the whole law. All the mixing of power is remarkable. The other approach is that officials know better how to handle and give us the confidence to bring a child.
– This is paragraph M. Majauskasa?
R.Dagis: I do not know, but it may be better for myself.
M.Majauskas: It seems like we have to see reality. In Lithuania, about 50% of the Family continues to use physical punishment as a home remedy. Studies show that there are different reasons. One of the main things is that grandparents are educated so that their parents are trained, and now children themselves educate their children because they do not know how to educate themselves differently. This requires the development of positive parenting.
In Lithuania, about 50% of the Family continues to use physical punishment as a home remedy.
Some parents are tired, frustrated, family problems, financial problems. This emotional problem is impatient with children, so they are asking for a quick decision on how to calm the child in order to raise a child. Sometimes a corporal punishment can occur in such a short period of time. Still alcoholism, poverty. It seems to me that if we do not solve these problems, we will not provide family support, we will continue to work only with the consequences, we will treat the symptoms, but we will not ensure that the violence from Lithuania actually violates.
R.Dagis: At this point, we do not dispute that the application of physical punishment in a family is a bad method of training – nothing is disputable about it. The controversy is because the concept, as it is now, as it is now being implemented, has become a means of violence against all families. All families became suspects, and all families were scared. As far as subjective formulations are concerned, my colleague introduced himself within the time limit. Our officials can handle them very easily. Extremely wide scope of violent behavior makes them dangerous. Because, as we hoped, by passing laws that would satisfy reasonable criteria, they do not work, but now we have such a situation.
M.Majauskas: Well, it is possible to write perfect laws, but if they are crazy, praise the Nazis, to face severe crimes, we will continue to see the great mistakes we have seen in Kaunas. It seems to me, I will certainly not write here the laws of the crazy, but we must ensure that the rights of people working with our children, the experts for the protection of children's rights, whose average salary today is 740 euros, that is, business, damned, dangerous and difficult, the salary would be One and a half times is twice the average salary in Lithuania. We will have serious experts who will work with our families.
Julius Kalinskas / 15min photo / Michael Majauskas
– But teachers at universities, paying a small salary, are somehow called.
M.Majauskas: I can explain why. The work of the child protection specialists is ungrateful, dangerous, and the decision of the nobility is always guilty. Today, if we want serious professionals to work, we must ensure social guarantees, we must provide training, we must ensure that compensation is such as to motivate a serious specialist, not only knowing the law, but also the human ability to work with families.
– Prejudicial violence against children in the family lasts months, months or months of trial or interrogation. Again, all the time the child is separated from the family, the child is either in the care home or the guardian. Should there be shorter deadlines for investigating re-examinations and other processes?
R.Dagis: Not just this one. Both the terms and the trial must be open, with all involved parties, and not only in correspondence. But one thing we need to understand when talking about punishment for lust is a violation, but the process of kidnapping is disproportionate. This is a much greater trauma in the child. This is completely unacceptable, only in exceptional cases. These are our parents and scared. Now this law has suspected all families.
One thing we need to understand when talking about punishing punishment is a violation, but the process of kidnapping is disproportionate. This is a much greater trauma in the child. This is completely unacceptable, only in exceptional cases. These are our parents and scared.
– Pre-trial investigation is applied in the general procedure, the child is always separated, court sessions, general procedure, psychiatric examination, are also in order and are expected months.
M.Majauskas: In my opinion, this does not take bureaucratic procedures, but because of the lack of complete family support. The child is taken by a court decision, but the decision of the child protection expert can be returned to the family very soon if there is a possibility, but there is no positive parenting that needs to wait 3 months, there is no alcohol treatment in areas where it is necessary to wait 3 months. There is no emotional support for parents, a psychotherapist to write in a clinic, if it is difficult, and thus solve problems. Until it is resolved, children do not return. Not because of long procedures, children are not coming back. They can be returned earlier, but there is no guarantee of a family service that would create the preconditions and conditions for returning to that child.
R.Dagis: I came here after 3 hours of conversation, which involved both experts and everyone else, and the answer is clear on this issue: procedures are too long. It can be extended indefinitely. Here are the weaknesses of our law. Again, the cautiousness criteria do not work in the courts or elsewhere.
– Will you change the law?
R.Dagis: The law will have to be precise in order to explain to everyone clearly what has been written there, because no one has acted on the justification criteria.
– Do you promise to be a representative of the Homeland Alliance or as one of the parties?
R.Dagis: I am a representative of the Subcommittee on Family and Child Benefits, to whom it is entrusted. Today, we agreed that as soon as all the amendments are adopted, talk to all non-governmental organizations and see the light of day in the Sejm as soon as possible.
– Violence against children is not limited to families. Violent not only parents but also children themselves. A brother can be violent towards his brother; in pre-school institutions, children are violent against each other in schools. Do we now have our brother to take our brother's brother to this logic? A child from preschool educational institution, from school?
M.Majauskas: It seems to me that we are some terrible family, we are scared of children, now we will take away the deprivation of children – the children will be taken away, parents must protect the children. Last year, the children were taken away and given to carers from October to July more than this year from July to October. No need for children. Secondly, of course, we must ensure the full support of the family. It is not enough for children to grow in a stable emotional environment where there is no violence where they do not see violence against them. Then it will not collapse before the weaker child, since it originates from family tradition and culture from generation to generation. That's the only way we'll change it.
R.Dagis: There is a certain division of views here. In addition, I would also mention the violence of the institutions against the child itself, because the deprivation of a child is actually a form of violence that is applied in an extreme case. But, in principle, I do not like the fact that we are now Lithuanian people, and Lithuanian families are so cruel. There are many examples of the world, but we must use the criterion of wisdom to understand that our families have experienced and tolerated all such historical trials, I think that they should be looked at in relation to their practice and correct only what they need and do not take everything from other countries that have a different historical experience. I think our families are worthy of respect more than our neighbors.
Julius Kalinskas / 15min photo / Ramantas Dagis
M.Majauskas: Nobody disagrees with family respect, for those who are really going through difficult things. But we must speak not only of compassion and respect, but also of helping this family to become better. Teaching to educate children in other ways and providing emotional support to those who have difficulty talking about alcoholism and poverty.
– Why are we dealing with the problem of family deprivation when parents are violent, but do not apply the same principle when children are violent to one another? And then we have to separate them somehow from each other, according to this logic.
M.Majauskas: It seems to me that we need to provide family support so violence is not violent, so we do not see violence among children. That's the solution. I do not think we need to pick up children, and taking children from the family is never a solution – it's a trauma for the child and for the family, and if a child is taken, it's only provided he returns it as soon as possible.
– Mr Majauskas, you are one of the initiators of the Child Rights Protection System, which is now operational.
M.Majauskas: I am the initiator of the Child Act, which is clearly indicated, so that children can not be beaten. I do not think we can go back to that. As Lithians, we, as Lithuanian, can bring children beautiful, soft, happy, without breaking them.
– The law on the basics of protecting the rights of the child is invalid. Do you agree that it is necessary to change it?
M.Majauskas: Certain parts are subject to change, there are rational proposals. It seems to me that Mr. R. Daggy called the way here. But changing the law itself will not significantly resolve the situation. The problem is family support, which does not exist today.
R.Dagis: In this case, we have really acquired the essence of the law, and especially the prism of family respect. And prism of family support. Then all systems of help will come when we respect them. After all, we all understand it – there will be violence. Violence has always been something like that. Our children will also be on the street, and everywhere else. We will not prevent them from seeing it. We need to educate them to understand what is happening, to help them, and to help families get to know the current situation.